Rhiwbach rockfall

Comment: Rhiwbach Fall.
Yesterday (19th July 2015) our staff reported a fallen block in the ‘Caban’ chamber of the drainage level in Rhiwbach slate mine. The fall occurred in the rear of the chamber, an area not normally visited by groups or staff.  If you were to stand with the caban on your immediate right looking inbye, this is the area of the chamber directly in front of you. The staff member was in the chamber when the fall occurred, and based on his experience as a slate quarryman and quarry blaster, he estimated the fall to be in the region of 1 to 2 tons.  We have had the chamber roof inspected by a CIC holder today, who has reported back to us that the roof and chamber walls in the immediate area used by staff going to get the boat are not affected by this fall. Misty conditions due to the wet weather today did not allow for a totally clear view of the rearmost reaches of the chamber, so at this point we have been unable to establish the exact location and extent of the fall.  Another inspection will be done tomorrow, hopefully with better visibility in the chamber.  I am aware that some users take their groups to have lunch near the caban in this chamber, and would urge all users to exercise extreme caution in this area.  We will inspect this chamber and the surrounding areas on a daily basis for the next few weeks and report any updates or further changes here.
Chris Phillips Operations Manager, Go Below Underground Adventures Ltd.

Rhiwbach Entrance

Hello all

Our staff have reported some earth slippage above the entrance to Rhiw Bach where there is now bare earth showing rather than full moss cover.   They felt that this could be due to soil movement due to the heavy rainfall and that it would be as well to keep an eye on this area in case further movement takes place.

Kind regards.

Faf

Faf (Cath) Bourke

Deputy Head

Plas Dol-y-Moch OEC

Bats in Geironydd (Bryn Cenhadon mine)

Had a look around the back of the mine opposite the hole were the Geironydd stream drops into today and noticed at least a dozen lesser-horseshoe bats roosting in the back of the mine. It’s unlikely groups would disturb them as they’re in the back of the mine off the normal beaten track, but it’d be worth avoiding scrambling into the back of the little mine over winter.

Gethin

Wrysgan & Rhiwbach update

Quick heads up that there’s been some reports of further (small) rock fall on floor 2 of Wrysgan. This is the same area we’ve been monitoring. If anyone has more info could you let us know?

Also the raft in Rhiwbach has been damaged, as has the traverse rope around the flooded pool on floor 1. The fray in the ropes been isolated and raft possibly fixed. Again if you’ve more info please let us know.

Cheers

Gethin

Results from testing some of the fixed ropes in Rhiwbach

A few months ago I sent the rope we’ve been using to manage the short traverse to the start of the tyrolean in Rhiwbach to the BCA for testing. The rope had been in place for a little over 2 years. As well as the used rope I also retained a unused length of the rope so we could compare the used and unused rope.

Here’s the results…

Hi

 You sent me three ropes.  I have put the BCA hand line experiment rope to one side awaiting other ropes from that experiment to test.  I took your other two samples and have just tested them.  I took the unused length and cut it into two samples labelled AB and BC.  I took the used sample  and cut it into 3 samples labelled DE, EF and FG, see photos.  So end G was by the broken sheath in the used rope.

 

Sample Drops Survived
AB 15
BC 12
DE 11
EF 10
FG 15

 

All samples broke on the following drop.  FG was subject to a delay during testing (my winch line almost broke and needed replacing) which might go towards explaining its higher number of drops survived.  But I do not think the results justifying claiming there is a difference between the ropes.

I define ‘broke’ as the rope not arresting the test mass’s movement.  I use this definition because the ropes did show a peculiarity in behaviour which I have seen a few times in large diameter rope.

For sample AB, I noticed damage in the sheath as it came out of the knot after drop 12.  In drop 14, the sheath parted exposing the core.  (I did not think to count the number of intact cords.)  After drop 15 I counted 10 intact cords (out of 16).  It broke on drop 16.

 For sample BC I noticed damage in the sheath as it came out of both knots after drop 9.  In drop 12, the sheath parted exposing the core and I counted 12 intact cords (out of 16) after the drop.  It broke on drop 13.

 For sample DE the sheath broke on drop 10 and I counted all 16 cords intact after the drop.  After drop 11, I counted 14 cords intact.  It broke on drop 12.

 For sample EF I noticed damage to the sheath after drop 8.  The sheath broke during drop 10 and after the drop I counted 13 cords intact.  It broke on drop 11.

 For sample FG, I noticed damage to the sheath as it came out of both knots after drop 12.  More damage to the sheath was observed at the bottom knot following drop 14.  During drop 15 the sheath broke and after the drop I counted 9 cords intact.  All bar 2 cords broke in drop 16.  Although these two cords remain connected to both sides of the sample, the length is such that I think they must be broken somewhere within the intact sheath. 

 I have to admit I do not usually look for damage at the point where the sheath on the active rope exits the knot so I can’t say if the above observations were timely or comprehensive.  But I do recall seeing this before on 11mm ropes.  Perhaps I should do it as a routine.  From memory, separate sheath breakage is unusual for smaller diameter ropes.  Usually and certainly for thinner ropes, the sheath and cords break simultaneously.  I hesitate to suggest but possibly one might examine the knots on installed ropes to check for such damage before use as a possible indicator of prior abuse.  I think I would have to do a wide range of tests to build up confidence to say that such damage always occurs well before break.  And I also think it is only a feature of large diameter rope which is in good condition.  As it happened I also tested two samples of supposedly 12mm rope in the past few days which broke as normal (having survived 3 and 6 drops) with no sheath breakage.

 I did not bother to take photos of the damage; instead I thought I would send the rope back to you.  It is currently drying and with a bit of luck I will post it on Monday.

 I should add the tests was conducted using a wet 0.8m overall length sample and used a Fall Factor 1.0 drop each time.  

 BS EN 1891:1998 requires that a Type A SRT rope can survive at least 5 drops using a 2m long sample.  However this test is done on a specially conditioned dry rope.  As wetting the rope will reduce the number of drops survived by around a factor of two, I conduct tests using a rope which has been immersed in water for at least two hours.  But the reduced length of the samples I use to test do not impart the same impact on the rope.  Some work suggests this over estimates the drop survivability of the rope.  

 BCA is not able to offer advice on the implications of these results, but if you want clarification do ask.

 Regards

 Bob

GT rope a

GT rope b

Update: Wrysgan Rockfall and warning regarding the slate following heavy rain

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Dave Baines has managed to have a look at the area where Storm noticed some rockfall on floor 2 within Wrysgan. It would appear that some rock has fallen from above the exit of the first tunnel through a pillar on floor 2 of the mine. We’d suggest groups take care in this area, moving through it swiftly, possibly one at a time.

Please continue to monitor the area and let us know if you notice any further movement.

Dave was also keen to pass on some feedback from a mining engineer regarding the possible effect on the slate following the rainfall over the last few weeks. It is likely that the water ingress may have weakened roofs and walls, please stay vigilant, particularly around the entrances/exits to the mines were ingress is likely to be more significant.

Rhiwbach Ropes

Take care using the fixed ropes when accessing the Tyrolean, I switched them around today as a short term measure given there is a significant fray caused by the rope rubbing on the corner as you step up to the tyrolean take off point. The fray is now in a slightly less cryptical area however I’d suggest the rope needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Oaklands donated the last rope (around 15-20m is needed), if anyone has some spare new rope that could be used to replace it could you let me know (or just replace it!) If you do replace the rope could you leave the old rope in the mine so we can send it off for some testing? 

Thanks 

Gethin

Report of some movement in Wrysgan

I’ve just had this report from Lledr house: 

I’d also like to report a fresh rock fall in Wrysgan.  This is on the approved route.  After ascending from level 1 to Level 2, you turn right through the first tunnel.  As you enter the next chamber, you walk over the debris. 
 
There has also been a rock slide onto the path that descends from the cutting shed area down to the level 1 entrance.  The surrounding slopes generally need to be kept an eye on.

Worth keeping an eye on